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Post by :[DS]: Battôsai on Apr 1, 2006 22:38:57 GMT -5
Oh, and solder:
my dad said something hilarious when he saw that article, about the prayer thing.He looked at it and said:
"Well, did anybody ask God if He wanted to participate in the study?"
XD XD XD
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Post by kimball on Apr 1, 2006 23:07:13 GMT -5
I will stop using the baptism arguement since you already debunked that. The question of what happens to these infants still remains. If there isn't god shouldn't he atleast reasure his people in some way that the babies are either safe or doomed? I mean it is such a huge thing. What if infact all these babies do go to heaven? How can christians say that not to be true when there is nothing said of abortion in the bible. There is nothing that sais a fetus has a soul so why should the chuch think otherwise? If those babies do go to heaven, would it be better for everyone to have as much abortions as possible? The way I see it there are only a few possible answers to this question. 1. They all go to hell. 2. They all go to heaven. 3. They all get reincarnated. 4. They have no souls therefore nothing happens. 5. They all go to purgatory. Don't you think if jesus or the prophets were what they said they were they would be able to atleast answer this question regardless of the fact it was thousands of years before their time? (sorry for that awkward sentence) You would think this 'all knowing' god would tell us. Heck, if he is willing to tell us all those other subtle non important things than why can't he just take a second of his time and tell us what is happening to these millions of people. The only logical conclusion I am to draw from this in reference to one who believes in god is as follows. God loves us and has told us many things in the past and still does tell us many a things. He tells us all about our souls and tells us all to live our lives. If fetuses had souls he would tell us about him since they to are his children and he would care equally about him. Unless god is a cruel god he would certainly tell us that we are killing millions of his people and like the israelites who were oppressed he should save the babies. I realize that isn't really as flushed out as my last post and thats because I don't have much time but the conclusion I came up with is that fetuses are infact souless and are not people at all. Only at birth do they get a sould and everything before that they are nothing more than an animal. I can see no other logical way to look at this. I refuse to believe that a god would ignore that huge of a problem.
If you got anything from that post I would like to hear your thoughts.
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Post by Chameleon on Apr 1, 2006 23:48:09 GMT -5
yea....i joined this too late and am way too lazy to read all that stuff, so ill just say my opinion and thats it.....
i dont beleive in god, or any higher being for that matter.
as for the first question asked "do you beleive in love" yea sure, its an emotion, but emotions are just chemical reactions in your brain.
and im too lazy to type anythign more, thats my opinion,,,
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Post by Fate|Speed[Y]Ninja on Apr 2, 2006 10:29:19 GMT -5
yea....i joined this too late and am way too lazy to read all that stuff, so ill just say my opinion and thats it..... i dont beleive in god, or any higher being for that matter. as for the first question asked "do you beleive in love" yea sure, its an emotion, but emotions are just chemical reactions in your brain. and im too lazy to type anythign more, thats my opinion,,, emoooooooooooo XD
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Post by Med on Apr 2, 2006 11:44:03 GMT -5
I guess being emo has something to do with your blood chemistry. NO.
Being emo comes from being in a rejective family that doesn't love you. Right? I mean, normal kids don't cut themselves.
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Post by :[DS]: Battôsai on Apr 2, 2006 13:18:50 GMT -5
I hear you. I hear your logic, and I think I understand your frustration. Many times in my life I have encountered some issue and asked, "God, why can't You just come out and tell us? It would solve everything!"
But God doesn't often follow a predictable patterns. I believe that God tells us what we need to know, but not much besides. Personally, I believe that the souls of stillborn/aborted babies (or even babies dying at a very young age) all have their names written down for life with God. But that does not make it better to abort! If babies do have souls, abortion denies them their chance to serve God in this world, a chance we only get here. It results in so many possibilities destryed. This world is our only chance to live by faith. More later, gtg...
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Post by notoriousfro on Apr 2, 2006 14:05:08 GMT -5
the whole purpose of religion was to be a good person...so be a good person and dont get brainwashed by your priest xD also, good points batt i agree with you on most of them. i give up btw. this thread could continue on forever and ever. its just so hard to convince someon they are wrong about religion
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Post by :[DS]: Battôsai on Apr 2, 2006 15:55:48 GMT -5
the whole purpose of religion was to be a good person...so be a good person and dont get brainwashed by your priest xD also, good points batt i agree with you on most of them. i give up btw. this thread could continue on forever and ever. its just so hard to convince someon they are wrong about religion You're right, it can be very hard to convince someone when they don't get something about religion. But, as a parting remark to you, notorious, (hope to see you here later) I'll try my best to do just that. Some religions may be about being a good person. But Christianity, at least, isn't. Christianity is there to help people develop a personal relationship with God, learn to love, and get another chance. Being a good person is a side-effect. ^_^
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Post by kimball on Apr 2, 2006 18:45:15 GMT -5
It seems like this 'debate' is starting to swerve every which way. I only have about 5 minutes right now and hopefully I'll be able to write more later. All I want to say is to point out a couple of things. First off you are assuming that following religion generally leads somebody to be a better person than if they had no religion. You are starting up a whole different type of arguement with that assumption and if you wouldn't mind I really don't feel like discussing whether or not god is necassary for a society to succeed.
About god not following a predictable patter I figured you would say something like. The thing is that god has never told us anything at all about abortion, none, zero, zilch. He never hinted at anything about what we should do about abortion. Also why do you assume that it would be better to let babies live if they would automatically go to heaven? Sorry I'm running out of time, Ill talk more on that question later.
Also just for you information I am not at all frustrated over aborted babies and just like you are content with your beliefs I am just if not more content with my beliefs. You find contentness with god, I am content without believing in god. I prefer to look at things face value and analyize everything instead of believing in some mysterious power.
I have to go but one last thing, I did not know this topic was about trying to convince people about religion and I hate to burst your bubble but you will have a near impossible time convincing me of gods extistance. I'll be back later, I have to go.
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Post by Med on Apr 2, 2006 18:46:59 GMT -5
Remember, Satannists wanna go to hell. When God sends them to Heaven, they are betrayed.
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Post by :[DS]: Battôsai on Apr 2, 2006 21:33:44 GMT -5
It seems like this 'debate' is starting to swerve every which way. Well, it's always been a free-for-all. It started out being about love. Then other topics came up, like yours about the fate of dead-before-birth people. The thing is that god has never told us anything at all about abortion, none, zero, zilch. He never hinted at anything about what we should do about abortion. Also why do you assume that it would be better to let babies live if they would automatically go to heaven? Sorry I'm running out of time, Ill talk more on that question later. He never told us anything about porn, either. But Jesus did say that lustful thought is wrong. So from that, we can figure out that porn isn't what God had in mind for us. Ok, but you're right. Abortion is harder. Read Psalm 129, it might give you some clues. It's one of the closest things the Bible has to info on unborn people. I didn't "assume" it would be better to let them live. What I assumed was that they have souls. I said if babies had souls, it would be better to let them live. My reasoning for that is sound, as far as the Bible is concerned. Reading Psalm 129 should at least prove that point... I have to go but one last thing, I did not know this topic was about trying to convince people about religion It's not. It about why people believe in God. (Lol, at least, that's what it was. Now it's kind of "ask whatever" XD ) As for bubble bursting, don't worry about it. I can only tell you about God, whether or not you come to Him is between you and Him.
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Post by Med on Apr 2, 2006 21:39:27 GMT -5
So is lustful thought is sinful, how come Priests do it? Is it that every priest is a kid who was a loser pedophile?
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Post by :[DS]: Battôsai on Apr 2, 2006 21:55:59 GMT -5
Apparently that's a big problem with catholic priests...personally, I think it's because they're not allowed to get married, and they get twisted or something. Yeah, that's obviously something priests shouldn't be doing. I really hope they fix it.
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Post by RAPISTS FOR 200 on Apr 2, 2006 22:33:33 GMT -5
love aint nothin but 2 people feelin sorry for each other then gettin a divorce court to decide how much to pay babys mother. here comes the sheriff knockin at my front door with a warrant for my arrest because i refuse to pay a ho.
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Post by xcirkus on Apr 2, 2006 23:02:47 GMT -5
love aint nothin but 2 people feelin sorry for each other then gettin a divorce court to decide how much to pay babys mother. here comes the sheriff knockin at my front door with a warrant for my arrest because i refuse to pay a ho. DO ME. ;D
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