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Post by notoriousfro on Apr 3, 2006 17:38:23 GMT -5
christianity does not always have the side effect of being a good person. examples include priests, as medic pointed out, people in ireland who kill potestants because...o wait...they are morons, and crusaders who plundered the land of islam for hundreds of years. o, and if we aply this to religion as a whole, what about muslim jihadists? xD also, having a personal relationship with god is ridiculous. god is not a person, he doesnt "talk" to you, and he can't think. "god" is, if "he" exists, just a part of yourself. as some punjabi hindus say, god is inside you. dont go to church and pray to some al;-powerfull, smiting being when no one is listening. how does god give you a chance to learn to love? he doesnt let you watch porn, masterbate, or have sex before marriage as for getting a second chance...what you mean by that is that christianity allows yourself to be brainwashed into thinking that if you're a good boy, god will give you a place in heaven after you die. if yyour stupid enough to beleive that, then you might as well not deserve a second chance. be a good boy anyways, regardless what the allmighty powerfull smiter thinks of you. christianity basically says, "Be good, listen to child-molesting men, waste your time at church, buy a suburban, pray every day, and support president bush and his republican cronies." haha sorry i had to add those few last remarks. they arent relevant so dont bother posting about them exept with a hhaha can i get a haha?
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Post by Med on Apr 3, 2006 18:20:17 GMT -5
Bush's dumbest quote, ever:
"The War is Iraq is a Holy Crusade, and we will defeat the terrorists in the War."
Someone had to cover for his ass saying "he didn't mean what he said about a Crusade."
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Post by :[DS]: Battôsai on Apr 3, 2006 20:52:00 GMT -5
Notoriousfro, I don't know what they teach in catholic schools, but that post was full of misunderstandings. Are you interested in hearing my answer? Something tells me you don't really want to hear it, in which case I won't bother you. But if you would like, I could post my response.
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Post by notoriousfro on Apr 7, 2006 16:46:11 GMT -5
post away xD
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Post by :[DS]: Battôsai on Apr 7, 2006 22:22:23 GMT -5
Then post away I shall! ^_^ christianity does not always have the side effect of being a good person. examples include priests, as medic pointed out, people in ireland who kill potestants because...o wait...they are morons, and crusaders who plundered the land of islam for hundreds of years. o, and if we aply this to religion as a whole, what about muslim jihadists? xD Okay, this part might sound a little bit complicated. Bear with me. The religion that calls itself Christianity cannot by itself help people. A serial rapist could go to church every Sunday and call himself a Christian, and that won't help him. A religion will not save a person, or make a person good. It is actually knowing, loving and obeying God that has a side effect of making someone a good person. It is the personal relationship with God that does this. Which brings us to your next paragraph... also, having a personal relationship with god is ridiculous. god is not a person, he doesnt "talk" to you, and he can't think. "god" is, if "he" exists, just a part of yourself. as some punjabi hindus say, god is inside you. dont go to church and pray to some al;-powerfull, smiting being when no one is listening. I pray to an all-powerful, loving Being who listens and has spoken to me on several occaisions. He has answered many of my prayers. I have felt His presence in many places, especially during my mission trip and our youth group retreats. This is all just my experience, and I can't prove any of it. You can say it's all bs, and all I can do is shrug. You can try to dredge up some psychological phenomenon to explain it away, and I'll just shake my head. This is the part where I just have faith. But if you trust me to be telling the truth, then there is some significant evidence about how powerful a relationship with God can be. how does god give you a chance to learn to love? he doesnt let you watch porn, masterbate, or have sex before marriage Love and sex are two different things. (See my first post on the first page) Both are good. Love, in fact, is probably the best thing around. As for sex...it is a wonderful gift. My belief is that God wants us to use it for it's original purpose (Ie. the life-long unity of one man and one woman), and not destroy its sacredness. as for getting a second chance...what you mean by that is that christianity allows yourself to be brainwashed into thinking that if you're a good boy, god will give you a place in heaven after you die. if yyour stupid enough to beleive that, then you might as well not deserve a second chance. be a good boy anyways, regardless what the allmighty powerfull smiter thinks of you. No. I am not a good boy. I am a very, very, very bad boy. I'm such a bad boy that I cannot in any possible way make up for my badness, or live with God. I have heard the good news, though. The good news is that God's love overpowers our misdoings. Jesus came into this world to be held accountable for all the bad stuff He didn't do. It sucks. It really sucks that God himself, who made all these good things that started destroying themselves, would take on all our wrong to free us. But He loves us, and He wants us to take this chance to be free of our badness, start over, and try our best to follow His example. So that's the path I'm taking. christianity basically says, "Be good, listen to child-molesting men, waste your time at church, buy a suburban, pray every day, and support president bush and his republican cronies." haha sorry i had to add those few last remarks. they arent relevant so dont bother posting about them exept with a hhaha can i get a haha? Catholic propaganda! ;D haha!
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Post by Blues on Apr 7, 2006 22:43:18 GMT -5
I'm not gonna bother and read that. Too much. D=
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Post by Med on Apr 7, 2006 22:58:01 GMT -5
So... God contacts you through the Five Senses...
You can see visions of (Jesus?)
You can smell (Blood of Christ in that Wine at Church?)
You can hear (You hear messages of Angels?)
You can taste (The Flesh of Christ in that Bread at Church?)
You can feel (No you can't, only sinners try to touch God. Feck off.)
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Post by :[DS]: Battôsai on Apr 8, 2006 1:44:38 GMT -5
I'm not gonna bother and read that. Too much. D= Heh, sry. There was a lot to respond to.
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Post by notoriousfro on Apr 8, 2006 9:01:22 GMT -5
You used the word faith ^^ hhehe Anyways, OK. So you have had personal experiences with God, and you heard him tell you things. (he is a man right? sexist christians!!) I think that what actually happened was yourself telling yourself what to do, then you reflected on it, and concluded that God told you those things. OK, if you think so. Mission trips are good, except that the main reason for them for hundreds of years was to convert . At least they help people. As to god answering your prayers, well... what about all those things you pray for that dont come true? They outnumber the things that do by far. Maybe you prayed for your relative to survive a bad stroke or something, whatever, it isnt my business, but i credit the doctors and the technology we have. A hundred years ago, the relative would have died, even though people prayed for them. Also, in general, the bible has been rewritten many times. An example of this came up recently in the USA Today paper... Judas betrayed Jesus, right? Well...hehe, not accoridng to an ancient enscription written by his followers and found somewhere over there...cant really remember the article, but look it up. This tablet thingy says that Judas did NOT actually betray him. There goes another one of Christianity's main ideas... Better rewrite it now, and say that the magical fairy that lived in Mary's hair came out and told everyone where Jesus was. Actually, i just found something you should watch. usatoday.feedroom.com/ifr_main.jsp?nsid=a-1d0baee9:10a79be7357:-20ed&st=1144505017103&mp=WMP&cpf=true&fr=040806_100337_w1d0baee9x10a79be7357xw20ec&rdm=700689.7626414876long link, lol, but look at it. I would like to point out that this was written a few hundred years AFTER jesus died. It isnt the gospel of Judas really...its the gospel of some people you have never heard of many years after his death.
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Post by :[DS]: Battôsai on Apr 8, 2006 11:50:17 GMT -5
You used the word faith ^^ hhehe But of course. Like I said, there comes a point when you have to take things on faith. Christians, Atheists anyone else included. Anyways, OK. So you have had personal experiences with God, and you heard him tell you things. (he is a man right? sexist christians!!) I think that what actually happened was yourself telling yourself what to do, then you reflected on it, and concluded that God told you those things. OK, if you think so. Mission trips are good, except that the main reason for them for hundreds of years was to convert . At least they help people. Their main reason today is to convert people. Which is better, to feed people for a month or to facilitate their eternal life? But we try to do both. About the personal experiences: they have been enough to convince me that God is with us. And that He is good. And about why God is referred to as a man...that one's complicated. I would have thought catholics were big on this one...anyways, I'll answer that question if you ask it. As to god answering your prayers, well... what about all those things you pray for that dont come true? They outnumber the things that do by far. Maybe you prayed for your relative to survive a bad stroke or something, whatever, it isnt my business, but i credit the doctors and the technology we have. A hundred years ago, the relative would have died, even though people prayed for them. Heh. You presume to know how often my prayers are or are not answered? Anyways, I did a post a couple pages back about the myriad reasons why God may choose to not answer a prayer. You could check that out, I don't feel like copy-pasting that much stuff. Also, in general, the bible has been rewritten many times. An example of this came up recently in the USA Today paper... Judas betrayed Jesus, right? Well...hehe, not accoridng to an ancient enscription written by his followers and found somewhere over there...cant really remember the article, but look it up. This tablet thingy says that Judas did NOT actually betray him. There goes another one of Christianity's main ideas... Sure, they found an old document that wasn't included in the Bible. People do that all the time. There's a good reason documents like this aren't in the Bible. Either they (1) Weren't of trustworthy source, and may not be accurate, or (2) have little to do with God's work at all. long link, lol, but look at it. I would like to point out that this was written a few hundred years AFTER jesus died. It isnt the gospel of Judas really...its the gospel of some people you have never heard of many years after his death. Um...I don't think the link works. It keeps taking me to a site where weird advertisements are showing. Could you check it and try posting it again?
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Post by notoriousfro on Apr 8, 2006 17:52:50 GMT -5
yea, go to usatoday.com then go to videos and look for the judas one, its pretty interesting anyway.
I never said that i know how many of your prayers are answered, but dont act like they all are. I tried to generalize it too, so it doesnt have to do with just you, but anyone who prays.
As to god being a man, i was mostly just kidding. But, for the hell of it, why is god a man?
As to Judas...its from a trustworthy source, or at least as trustworthy as the other gospels came from. Also, it is very much related to gods work. It is about how Judas actually did what Jesus wanted him to do, which was betray him. Like i said, watch the video. Hehe as to being accurate...dont get me started. I think the entire bible is BS written by propagandists after jesus' death...if thats a word. lol
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Post by :[DS]: Battôsai on Apr 9, 2006 11:56:57 GMT -5
Okay, I watched the Judas gospel video. Very cool, it's awesome that people could piece together something that had fallen apart so much... Obviously, since I'm not one of the Church Fathers, I don't know why this particular book was not included in the Bible. I'm guessing it's because it's stating that Judas' betrayal was actually by Jesus' instruction, which doesn't really make sense. (At least, not to me, since I don't think Jesus would deceive the other disciples that way) Another thing to the list of questions to ask God about after judgement day.
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Post by notoriousfro on Apr 9, 2006 17:51:09 GMT -5
lol.
another thing to debunk your religions ideas xD
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Post by smash on Apr 9, 2006 21:44:28 GMT -5
u guys should form a debate team >.<
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Post by :[DS]: Battôsai on Apr 9, 2006 23:30:11 GMT -5
Nah. I think we kinda highjacked the thread. This isn't supposed to really be about debates. I was just trying to answer his questions.
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