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Post by :[DS]: Battôsai on Oct 7, 2006 0:20:05 GMT -5
Nobody is perfect and anyone who tells you that you need to be to get into heaven is lying. Lol? Jesus told us that. ...but there's fine print. Like you said, nobody's perfect. ('xept Jesus ), and there's nothing we can do to make ourselves perfect. Is that it, then? Nobody joins Jesus in heaven? God spends eternity free of human company? No way, He doesn't let that happen; He loves us too much for that. So He offers us grace. Try to be perfect, just try, He says, and I'll brush aside all your shortcomings. That way, while we most certainly aren't perfect here, we become perfect when we leave this sinful world behind. All God asks is for us to give perfection our best shot. It can seem a burden sometimes, but the way I see it, it's a raging battle. Jesus and Satan are duking it out, with my life as the battlefield and my soul as the prize. But I choose whom to side with and I am the deciding factor in who wins. Satan offers me luxury in return for my services, and worldly pleasures, and the easy way out. Jesus offers me His unconditional love, whether or not I choose to accept it, and a place at His side for eternity. Fighting for Jesus is hard, because Satan has had several thousand years of experience at manipulating humans. But God gives us strength where we are weak, and His power goes beyond our (and Satan's) imagination. That is how God can win the battle for each and every soul that has ever existed. But before He does that, He wants our permission, and our willingness to follow through with it. Isn't that cool? God holds back His omnipotent will, taking a huge risk, to let our own will play a role in our destiny. If I may throw a cliché at you: choice, the double-edged sword. (That is also, in my small, fallible opinion, the reason why God is waiting a little longer before He headshots the devil: so that we have a choice. What good is free will when there is no choice? Just my thought, and I could be completely wrong.)
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Post by xcirkus on Oct 7, 2006 22:50:45 GMT -5
I believe that religion has it's purpose. The end result is people being nicer to eachother, ethics, morals, stuff that makes life better. I don't necessarily believe any of it, but I don't dislike it either.
If you can reach that end result without religion, and just be a good person, that's all that really matters
It's ridiculous to believe that everyone else is wrong and you're right about your religion. They think that exact same thing.
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Post by :[DS]: A MyStiCaL Fly on Oct 10, 2006 13:27:04 GMT -5
Oh my, oh my. Thats a lot of reading I had to do. So many thoughts and angles to present oui, where to begin. xD I suppose I will just start with what comes to me and let it develope from there. (Small steps *laughs*) *doesnt get why god needed to create a "game" a "world" a "life" to "test" how good we are *laughs* Should not he have known before we even came here?. *doesnt understand how ANYONE could NOT be forgiven* Example, someone who murders people because they think they are the devil! While they think they are doing good(Killing elements of the devil, his fallowers). Did that make it good from the human perspective?. How could his understanding(gods) not go, smiles I appluad you for trying to do the right thing, you just didint see X element or view so thus your "right" thing was not actually right. However my son, I understand why you made the choice you did, you may enter heaven!. (Note: I am not directing all of this stuff "personally" at you battosai, you know that my friend . I am speaking purely of beliefs I have heard about that certain belief that doesnt make sense to me <3) Do any of you believe in non-Physical beings?
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Post by DPKJ on Oct 12, 2006 0:03:20 GMT -5
I believe in God because, if life is a story then there must be a story-teller, if design exists a designer is present. My Reasons:1)Miracles, they are supernatural events beyond the laws of nature, Ex: Somehow overcoming cancer with prayer or believing in God.. 2)The conversion of the world, if God did not exist why would so many people believe in him? God gives the grace to believe. 3)Your conscience, who is the person or being that is telling you what to do and it being right? It can't be some random person feeding information to you, it has to be a being that has absolute authority over you that can make such a judgment. 4) Design of the world. Where there is design there is a designer. Evolution for example it did not just happen randomly over a series of events. Design exists throughout the universe, so there must be a universal designer. 5) First Cause, if there is no "uncaused cause" there must be an infinite amount of causes back through time "with no first link in the great cosmic chain" If there is a First Cause then it must be an eternal(beyond, before, and out side time), necessary(without which no other causes could exist), independent(in need of no cause beyond itself), and be a self-explanatory being. And for Jesus...Jesus can be a God man, a mad man, or a bad man. Jesus can not be just a good man, this is true because Jesus said He was God's son and if he knew he wasn't but said He was he is a mad man. If he did not know he was God's son but said he was anyway he is a bad man. And if He says who says he is and is our lord and savior he is a God man. So Jesus can't just be a good and moral person because of what he said. It's either he is a God man, a mad man, or a bad man. May not be the most clear thing, but it's 1:03AM at the moment so I'm going to sleep -Pinoy
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Post by Chariot is Legend! on Oct 12, 2006 9:05:04 GMT -5
2)The conversion of the world, if God did not exist why would so many people believe in him? God gives the grace to believe. Then shouldn't the same hold true for other religions with massive amounts of followers? For example, Islam, Judaism, Buddhism, Hindu(ism?), Etc.
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Post by :[DS]: Battôsai on Oct 12, 2006 12:02:21 GMT -5
2)The conversion of the world, if God did not exist why would so many people believe in him? God gives the grace to believe. Then shouldn't the same hold true for other religions with massive amounts of followers? For example, Islam, Judaism, Buddhism, Hindu(ism?), Etc. Pinoy said "belief in God". Islam, Judaism, and Hindu all believe in some form of God, and Buddhism at least in some form of spirituality. If we want to try to ask what God is like, that's where you have to examine the different faiths people have. In the issue of God's existence alone, Christianity, Judaism and Islam, at least, are all on the same side.
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Post by Chariot is Legend! on Oct 12, 2006 14:39:03 GMT -5
What I meant is if one of his reasons for believing in God is the fact that with so many believers, how could we all be wrong? What I'm saying is that there are several other major religions out there. I mean, a big fan base shouldn't be a determining factor in what religion you choose.
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Post by :[DS]: A MyStiCaL Fly on Oct 12, 2006 15:08:26 GMT -5
1, I believe there is much we are capable of that we dont understand yet . Doesnt mean there is a god just becuase something happens we do not understand. 2, Thats a good point(refering to senor charito's), Just because many believe doesnt mean its true. Infact didint the whole world believe the world was flat at one point? . There are MANY who dont believe in god as well. 3, Could it be there is more to you then meets the eye? there obviously is, we all feel it. Could it be possible there is a non physical part of you on the other side "looking over" and trying to guide you? . 4, From our view it seems that way, but that is because of the dimentions we live in. I believe there is still much we do not understand. Could it be we all are the designers ? 5, Perhaps. Jesus, Interesting
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Post by Chariot is Legend! on Oct 12, 2006 17:42:24 GMT -5
(refering to senor charito's) I'm Chariot btw.
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Post by The Lag on Oct 12, 2006 21:52:51 GMT -5
I believe that religion has it's purpose. The end result is people being nicer to each other, ethics, morals, stuff that makes life better. Strangely enough, the opposite has been demonstrated in many studies (I don't care enough about this forum to find links).
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Post by |n|8|v| io.sys~~ on Oct 13, 2006 17:11:53 GMT -5
i do not believe in god. that is my personal view. i will not highlight or force any of my views.
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Post by :[DS]: A MyStiCaL Fly on Oct 15, 2006 14:02:13 GMT -5
smiles io, I think that is grand you will not highlight or force any of your views. But would you tell them to someone if they were willing to learn? (IE, I am curious to learn what you belive and why )
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Post by flowerpower on Oct 27, 2006 22:03:44 GMT -5
The concept of God seems highly improbible and seems to only act as a security blanket for individuals, as I have witnessed to see time and time again. People are religious because they havent seriously considered the basis of their faith, or they havent separated their beliefs from their hopes [most of the time]. Everyone, both religious ("truly") and non-religious agree that people who behave out of fear or the prospect of rewards do not truly believe. Believing in God because you want to increase your chances of you participating in some sort of afterlife if their really is a God isn't truly believing in god either. This is why death bed conversions are considered not valid. Also, I find it interesting that believers are almost all the time brought up with religion, while those who are not actually get to see both sides of the argument and rationally choose a side instead of being forced into it, and I find this sad becuase it is pretty influencial brainwashing :/ I believe that if any other religion was made or one that has been made but died out became insanely popular but would have looked very ridiculous to us today, many people would have believed it just becuase so many people believe it, or becuase they were brought up into the belief as infants. Here are some parodies of such possiblities www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVQoxrrMftAen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pink_unicorn
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