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Post by :[DS]: Battôsai on Mar 29, 2006 13:27:30 GMT -5
if god loves us so much why is satan alive and there is hell? > Why is there hell? Because God gave us free will. Hell isn't a place He sends us. Hell is a place we can choose to go to, and He won't stop us from going. He'll try to persuade you, He'll call out to you, He'll try to wake you up. He'll even reach His sinless Right Hand down into this sinful place, offering to pull you up and out, but He won't force you to live with Him. As for the Satan, I don't know why God lets him stick around. Seems counterproductive, to put it lightly. There's gotta be a reason, and I've asked and been asked this one many times, but still no clue.
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Post by Med on Mar 29, 2006 17:45:07 GMT -5
look inside yourself" for truth and meaning for life. NEWAGE HIPPIES FTW OMG SPIRITUAL CONNECTION ZONES TO THE GODS
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Post by :[DS]: Battôsai on Mar 29, 2006 18:22:49 GMT -5
look inside yourself" for truth and meaning for life. NEWAGE HIPPIES FTW OMG SPIRITUAL CONNECTION ZONES TO THE GODS Three cheers for quotes out of context.
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Post by :[DS]: A MyStiCaL Fly on Mar 29, 2006 19:23:26 GMT -5
lol. Interesting thread.
From my observation, The Belief in god seems to me to give a sense of Unresponsibility. "Why did this happen to me, why did you do this god" "Why does this happen" "I will pray for you"(like its out of their hands). Now while I understand the sense of comfort one can feel by them feeling its not their fualt things happen, or that things out of their control. It doesnt really make sense to me.
However, I would like to say. I do not know if there is a god, and I dont care if people believe there is one, there is any number of things people can believe without proof that is in a way what belief is.
I grew up in a Mormon Family, and I have a "witch" for an aunt. Comparing the teachings of both, the teachers I have learned from the "Witch" make more sense then those of the Mormon.
The teachings from the witch seem to instill more Responsibility, If you believe in mocking up things, energy goes where you send it etc. It is funny to me how society has portrayed witchs overtime as evil and of the devil. *shakes head* I personally think that, that is another way to take responsibility from people, to help better control people.
Now, I also Believe no one belief or religion has all the correct teachings. From what I have learned a lot of text has been taken out of the bible and such reguarding things such as witchcraft.
*Shrugs* my friends, I do not have all the answers I do not think any one person does. My wise words to you would be to not look to the fool, nor the wiseman, nor even god. But look to them all, look to everything for answers. Inside yourself and Outside yourself. No one way is better then the other.
If this has any holes or anything let me know. Or if you would like to discuss anything with me I am open. <3 to you all.
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Post by :[DS]: Battôsai on Mar 29, 2006 20:56:03 GMT -5
I'm not going to make statements about witchcraft or anything, but I do want to point one thing out. Belief in God does not in the slightest remove responsibility. (That last sentence is not intended to sound snappish, it's just important for this to be clear) On the contrary, those who have found God have a huge responsibility to not leave the rest of the world in the dark. On the matter of prayer, it does not alleviate responsibility. It is something else one can do to help. If I have a test coming up, I don't pray to do well on it instead of studying. I study and pray. If I was a doctor with a patient to treat, I wouldn't pray instead of administering medicine to them. I would administer the medicine and pray a lot! If there's someone far away from me with an issue they told me about, and praying is all I can do, then there's a huge improvement over just wishing them luck. Prayer certainly is not an excuse for inaction. That would be hypocrisy. Just so you know
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Post by Med on Mar 29, 2006 21:43:53 GMT -5
God I know I'm a bastard not a very nice person, could you please make me a millionare? I pray in the name of Jesus, the Holy Spirit, and your name, Lord, that I, a poor stupid bastard son of a b*t*h atheist will become a millionare. With Love, Medix P.S. Can I have an emo girl with small boobs?
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Post by :[DS]: A MyStiCaL Fly on Mar 29, 2006 22:27:46 GMT -5
@ medics post, wow that was pointless wasint it.
and nods batto, thats good. "Magic" with Mundane(praying as well as studying.) and nods I agree with what you said.
I dont mean it completly disreguards or "removes" responsibility, but it seems to me there is less of a sense of having it. For exsample, god created all of this and can take it away if he choose's.
I didint mean to say prayer alleviates responsibility. I was using that as an exsample of someone thinking that way. You ask god to help, while helping mundanly all you think is right, and thats good.
Question batto, Say, you pray for god to watch over your dog and protect him. then your dog gets hit by a car and dies. What do you think? Why did you let this happen god?. Has anything like this ever happend to you?.
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Post by Med on Mar 29, 2006 23:14:50 GMT -5
FFS. That's the same as the SuperBowl, Fly! They both pray to win, but in the end, there's only ONE winner D:
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Post by :[DS]: Battôsai on Mar 29, 2006 23:55:48 GMT -5
Question batto, Say, you pray for god to watch over your dog and protect him. then your dog gets hit by a car and dies. What do you think? Why did you let this happen god?. Has anything like this ever happend to you?. Moot point, since I don't have a dog. jk ;D Well, there can be many reasons why something like that could happen. First of all, one could just be praying for the wrong reason. Ultimately, we are supposed to be serving God, not ourselves. So prayers that are self-serving, or just testing God, are probably not very high on His priority list. Take medic, for example: he just prayed that God would make him a millionaire. Somehow, I don't think he has serving God in mind there, what with him being atheist and all. So, I'm betting God has very little motivation to make medic a millionaire. Can't rule it out, though. So, did my having a dog help me serve God at all? God only knows. Secondly, something like this could easily be a trial. God will never let us be tempted or tested beyond what we can endure, but anything else is fair game. Trials in life are an important spiritual growth factor. If everything was easy, we'd never grow strong. No spiritual pain, no spiritual gain. I think you get the idea . Finally, God might have a better idea in mind. You know how making a life-long friend can sometimes happen because you happened to, I dunno, miss the bus and meet the person? God weaves together these threads of fate, or whatever you want to call them. Did my dog's death lead to the occurence of an important event? God only knows. There's a good example for this one: the night before He was captured, Jesus prayed that He would not have to be crucified. But of course, that was the plan. So it had to happen.
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Post by Esko Epäkesko on Mar 30, 2006 1:51:39 GMT -5
Any of you use Unix machines?
% create god ERROR: god does not exist
% make light ERROR: no match
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Post by :[DS]: A MyStiCaL Fly on Mar 30, 2006 2:35:00 GMT -5
Uhh, no Esko. Batto, yes very nice. Thanks . I suppose I know too many that are how I was first presenting my view . I <3 your honor and beliefs. Sry, not in the mood to think and reply right now.
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Post by Med on Mar 30, 2006 14:30:11 GMT -5
Any of you use Unix machines? % create god ERROR: god does not exist % make light ERROR: no match I hate Twelve year olds that use Linux with the KDE GUI. I HATE THEM. They pretend like they're superior to everyone, and then when you ask them what the command 'ls' does (which is the one command ANYONE who's even used UNIX or LINUX for 5 SECONDS on the COMMAND PROMPT knows, lists the files. FTW)
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Post by :[DS]: Battôsai on Mar 30, 2006 14:52:23 GMT -5
No hate on this thread, medic. Take your hate somwhere else. Preferably out of these boards.
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Post by Serival on Mar 30, 2006 15:26:24 GMT -5
Any of you use Unix machines? % create god ERROR: god does not exist % make light ERROR: no match I hate Twelve year olds that use Linux with the KDE GUI. I HATE THEM. They pretend like they're superior to everyone, and then when you ask them what the command 'ls' does (which is the one command ANYONE who's even used UNIX or LINUX for 5 SECONDS on the COMMAND PROMPT knows, lists the files. FTW) I could send you some orgasmic logs of my SSH2 client.
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Post by Esko Epäkesko on Mar 30, 2006 18:18:43 GMT -5
I learned the unix error messages some years ago. Forgotten them till I saw this thread.
My personal belief is kinda strong: the only god worth listening to lives inside of you. It's called 'conscience', the ability to tell right from wrong. My god is a fierce one, he keeps me up all night if I've done something wrong or badmouthed in wrong place.
Christianity and every other major religions are ok. All the religions (except the holy roller -ones) are based on love and respect. Love 'n'respect as whole, not just love for people or glory or yourself.
It's the man who twisted Jesus' words and turned Muhammed's taughts upsidedown. They both were the first public hippies and later little men twisted and altered their words to justify inquisition and suicide bombings and whatelse blindfolded nonsense there is. I respect the good people known as priests and reverends; some of them are the last borderline between chaos and love, but I sure as hell dont give any respect to religion institutes behind those men.
I'm a taoist - I get kicks out of small things. I'm a hippie - I'm overconcerned about how things are among mankind. I'm also somewhat stubborn - instead of turning my other cheek, I will revenge. Guess those attributes make qualify me to gates of my personal heaven.
Respect, .esko.
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