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Post by Russel on Nov 2, 2006 19:09:05 GMT -5
its for the best batto. People can live longer, most of the worst and terrible diseases can be cured, lives can be saved. What's a few unborn lives compared the lives of millions of people
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Post by :[DS]: A MyStiCaL Fly on Nov 3, 2006 2:47:02 GMT -5
/Battosai, they are looking into ways to get stem cells without killing the embryo. /end Battosai. The best way for now, is not to "stop" altogether doing any research, but use an ethical and morale guideline to continue on. But this is definitly a path worth looking into and not giving up on. Stopping a life from living just seems wrong, But I believe that for all life; not only "humans" as most people do. . However at the same time, How do we know that that "soul" that would have filled that body didint just "catch" the next one?. smiles, its only our "human" perspective that we have to discern and judge and try and learn from life. *laughs* everything we know about was given from a human XD. Who wrote the bible? a human. Was he under a higher guidence? Perhaps, Perhaps not; did he get everything right? Perhaps, Perhaps not. Smiles, Faith is not a bad thing to have, but really there is MUCH we do not know , and perhaps never will . Anyway, So Stem Cell Research, sounds like it will benifit humanity. Many people I am sure would give up their lifes to better the whole. How do you know the "souls" filling those embryos did not know what they where getting into before they went into that body?, Perhaps that was what they came to earth to do? . Many things one could ask, many angles to look at, not just right and wrong.
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Post by :[DS]: Battôsai on Nov 3, 2006 3:30:59 GMT -5
lol, Fly. I had a hard time reading that post, my eyes kept slipping back to all the 's. xD In response to that last bit: the spirit behind a sacrifice is that the person himself makes it. If the decision was made for him by someone else, well, it's void. We can't go around deciding who should make what sacrifices. It's like stealing money, giving it to the poor, and excusing it by saying "Well, wasn't it a worthy sacrifice?" About the other part...would God send someone to earth just to be used for stem cells? Well, unless we prove that He does, we can't use that as justification.
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Post by :[DS]: A MyStiCaL Fly on Nov 3, 2006 19:10:22 GMT -5
"lol, Fly. I had a hard time reading that post, my eyes kept slipping back to all the 's. xD" *laughs* too many you think?, Never . Bet you smiled while reading the post though didint you "In response to that last bit: the spirit behind a sacrifice is that the person himself makes it. If the decision was made for him by someone else, well, it's void. We can't go around deciding who should make what sacrifices. It's like stealing money, giving it to the poor, and excusing it by saying "Well, wasn't it a worthy sacrifice?" So, you believe the spirit makes the decision while in the body? smiles, so they have to wait untill adulthood? to make the choice? or atleast untill they are old enough to understand really the choice they are making?. You dont believe people come here to do certain things?(Sent by god or not, many beliefs to consider not just one ) I agree no one can make the choice for them, I am NOT saying that XD. I am saying, perhaps they decided to come for that reason . *laughs*, I am NOT saying yeah, kill them take the cells it was worthy. XD. No one can decide that for them "About the other part...would God send someone to earth just to be used for stem cells? Well, unless we prove that He does, we can't use that as justification." Uhh, Prove god exists first, then we may be on the road to proving other things that have to do with god XD. There are many things we cannot prove, but yet many people believe in these things(refering to many beliefs).
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Post by wolfman14 on Nov 5, 2006 0:39:11 GMT -5
a bit off topic here.. but if you inject stem cells into your p3nis.. will that make it bigger? like.. i donno.
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Post by :[DS]: Battôsai on Nov 5, 2006 1:33:52 GMT -5
Rofl, no it won't. I don't know much about stem cells, but I do know that you have to carefully guide them with chemical signals to make them become the right cell type. You wouldn't want to start growing something unexpected, especially not there.
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Post by notoriousfro on Nov 6, 2006 19:36:01 GMT -5
i didnt read all the posts or anything by i think batt is the guy saying stem cell research is bad cause of the unborn people and whatnot getting killed
well... would you consider semen to be full of unborn babies, with souls? cause essentially a fertilized egg is the same thing. a zygote is just an egg and sperm combined. nothing more than some chromosomes and a nucleus.
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Post by flowerpower on Nov 7, 2006 22:02:57 GMT -5
Haha yeah, he's pretty much right. Becuase when you masturbate or whatever you let out millions of sperm which are all "potential" and it is the same concept with these embryos.
Don't masterbate, it's a massacre!
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Post by :[DS]: Battôsai on Nov 8, 2006 16:21:52 GMT -5
lol, not only masturbation. Just by existing, we cause millions of sperm die. And girls kill one egg with every period. But those are not human. Left alone, a sperm will not grow into a child. Neither does an egg. But a feltilized embryo is already a human, developping, getting ready for the world. It takes a concious action on our part to cease it's development. I don't see how this is any different than killing a baby. In my mind, both are murder.
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Post by `FR.A Hizune on Nov 8, 2006 21:47:31 GMT -5
Okie dokie! Tag team time! *slaps Battosai's hand* Here we go!
After reading all that, heres what i think: This research can't be avoided and will be carried on, whether we like it or not. From history, examples show us that once something is found, someone will finish it no matter what anyone says.
Now, aside from that, I agree that this is a pretty big step in the medical field. Maybe even past that. They could develop techniques from this research to engeneer into other stuff. I'm not saying it should be continued, though. I also agree that the embryo is "living" and shouldn't be harmed. Like you guys said, its like killing someone who is braindead. They could still have potential to change something drastic. So it seems to come to a bit of a stalemate in each person's own opinion.
Also, religion plays a leviathan part of this, among other subjects. One example is aids. Believe it or not, we could already have a cure for aids. A few years back they found out that a special cell in a certain tiger/lion (can't remember which) could be used to produce a cure for aids. But different religions thought this was bad because in order to get the cell they had to kill the tiger/lion. And so, because of religion, no cure was found. The same thing might happen in this case. Religions could revult and stop all of it. Then again, it may not.
I'd say this field will be investigated in time, but my prediction is Religion will step in and halt the process until a later generation.
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Post by Fate|Speed[Y]Ninja on Nov 9, 2006 6:14:14 GMT -5
This is when osama comes in, bombing ppl dead, kidnapping, killings. Get them from these dead ppl D:
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Post by notoriousfro on Nov 10, 2006 17:59:13 GMT -5
fertillized eggs are nothing more than a sperm or egg.. just the two together. its not a human till about the third trimester by most standards. thats when it begins to have a resemblance to thought and its body is kinda formed
this is gonna lead into abortion xD
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Post by :[DS]: Battôsai on Nov 11, 2006 2:22:42 GMT -5
fertillized eggs are nothing more than a sperm or egg.. just the two together. its not a human till about the third trimester by most standards. thats when it begins to have a resemblance to thought and its body is kinda formed I believe the functional definition of human is in question here. (Functional, not dictionary) You're missing out the spiritual side of it. When does something become human? When the spirit is there (on my watch, anyways). When does the soul of a human come into being? Is it at birth? First breath? When the water breaks? At conception? So far, we can't really prove when it arrives. So...logical arguement #1: Don't kill any embryoes, because of the chance that you are killing a human. Don't believe in souls? *shrug* Well, I have less to say to that. But, I still have a logical arguement for that: some say that an embryo shouldn't be classified as a human because it isn't independant; it need its mother's nutrition for its sustenance. This arguement makes no sense. Look at a baby. It is just as dependant as an embryo. Without a mother (or someone else) to care for it, it's dead within a couple days. Look at a child. Without an easy source of food and shelter (usually provided by parents), it too will die. Look at human civilization as a whole. We are dependant on many things. We are never independant, our dependancies simply change as we grow up. So, what is the defining difference between a baby and an embryo, in terms of being human? Both are developing, growing. Neither is capable of reason and decision. Both are dependant on a human caretaker, if through different means. Neither looks as it will when completely developed. I would argue that both a baby and embryo are growing humans. Neither should be killed in the name of scientific research, or even "slated for destruction" in the first place.
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Post by notoriousfro on Nov 11, 2006 10:16:44 GMT -5
then dont masturbate cause sperm cells might have souls as well....
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Post by :[DS]: Battôsai on Nov 11, 2006 12:39:55 GMT -5
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It's not a human. Feed it, keep it warm, nourish it: it won't grow. It won't get any smarter. They die in the millions whether you masturbate or not. They last about three days before they die, whether inside or outside your body. I don't think God assigns some sort of half-soul to a sperm, but even if He does, there's little we can do about it. The goal is not to overpopulate the world; it's to not kill people.
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