Bendarr
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RET & MINI FTW
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Post by Bendarr on Jan 8, 2007 8:30:24 GMT -5
no you are accusing him of a different hack? oh my f*cking God, just leave him the hell alone!
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Post by Nems is the Forum Detective! on Jan 8, 2007 8:31:45 GMT -5
EYE HEART STAR FIRE! I WIN!
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Post by ~SandMan~ on Jan 8, 2007 9:17:12 GMT -5
Before you start reading I will just say 1 thing. Bendarr made the hacker log, and he isnt in the log. and do you know why? because he just delete his own nickname! Or he is smart and have a program that doesnt log him or something. He is good with making programs and s---, so why isnt that possible.
FyFY you should shut uP! You are just a f***ing SS annoying player. I hate you. You are just defending him since he is your friend and is in yoru clan. btw, fyfy, since I said I was better than you, you've really f***ed my ass with /ban me in every SS server and you voted me for no reason all the time in seal public. I thought bendarr didnt hack and since he has the hacker log, he can easily remove himself from it if it logs him. and btw, he has created a hacker log, why cant he not creat a hackerprogram that doesnt log and server cant find it?!?!?
This demos are proof enough for me
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fenix
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Post by fenix on Jan 8, 2007 12:20:19 GMT -5
hopefully this is is not a double post, but i read on wikipedia that soldat uses a funny packet thing and that it likes to drop packets... thus introducing the "hit" scenario... for some people with inconsistent connections, like me, you may not see a lot of that stuff. ex: on the first halo game, what happened when you threw a grenade? i did more research on this topic, and talked to EnEsCe about how packets worked, and all that jazz. after i explained your point to him, he laughed and said: case closed (well, for the "lost packet" defence anyways) Hehe owned
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Post by :[DS]: -Vis- on Jan 8, 2007 14:18:33 GMT -5
Before you start reading I will just say 1 thing. Bendarr made the hacker log, and he isnt in the log. and do you know why? because he just delete his own nickname! Or he is smart and have a program that doesnt log him or something. He is good with making programs and s---, so why isnt that possible. FyFY you should shut uP! You are just a f***ing SS annoying player. I hate you. You are just defending him since he is your friend and is in yoru clan. btw, fyfy, since I said I was better than you, you've really f***ed my ass with /ban me in every SS server and you voted me for no reason all the time in seal public. I thought bendarr didnt hack and since he has the hacker log, he can easily remove himself from it if it logs him. and btw, he has created a hacker log, why cant he not creat a hackerprogram that doesnt log and server cant find it?!?!? This demos are proof enough for me If I was a mod here, you would be seriously warned for this post. Quit the flaming, and stop making accusations based on nothing. Of course he could theoretically take out his name from the hacker log, but since there's no evidence to support the theory, there's no point in even debating it. Secondly, I already explained that the demos prove nothing. That is not an opinion, I explained why that's the case. If you have no reasonable evidence to support your claims, I suggest you leave it alone. And by the way, a server voting for possible cheat means nothing. It's happened to me plenty of times. Are you going to accuse me of hacking too? Stop bunging up this section of the forums with your accusations. PLEASE?
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Sp!k3
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Post by Sp!k3 on Jan 8, 2007 14:25:38 GMT -5
Well i agree with the flaming part but yes he could take his name out of the log just as well as the log could have been made up. I knowof how he got the log and the odds are its legit but didnt he take chikka off the log?
Its not really a huge accusation to say he probably took his name off the log because something like that could easily be done
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Post by Flash/tFk on Jan 8, 2007 16:17:09 GMT -5
My personal thoughts, or just what I noticed when I watched demo "bendarr.sdm" is that for the first 2 clips he shoots into blue base dont have recoil at all. After those shots, the LAW kill happens high and he looks that way(I dont think it was recoil). Hearing the noise of it and knowing your teammate just got splattered is good enough reason to look for conformation of his death. He then appears to have recoil on roughly everyother shot(not always the case everyother is approx., he has recoil on more then 1/2 though). If he aimed with his crosshair right next to body he wouldn't have seen his teammate been killed unless he moved his crosshair, my opinion this explains why it appeared he gained recoil on that shot. Also, he wouldn't have even seen Specter rushing as he was reloading, I tried it and holding your crosshair close enough to your body to not get recoil you cant barely see pass the poly that is the top of the entrance to blue base from mid. Well hopefully that makes more sence, cuz it is hard as h3ll to shoot with no recoil ruger just by using your crosshair close to your body.. it is possible, but highly unachieveable to do it consistenly. Only an opinion I remind you, please dont flame me for my opinion, cuz I dont want to start trouble in an already delicate topic. And just to be clear for myself, I dont know much about the makings of a game and this "packet" that Starfire and Cham are talking about, so it is info about what you are doing that you are constantly sending to the server and then it sends it to each player and back? Thanks
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fenix
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Post by fenix on Jan 8, 2007 16:19:40 GMT -5
Umm i dont really know what it means but its like EnEsCe said recoil doesnt have anything to do with packets so it doesnt matter what packets are.
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Post by Flash/tFk on Jan 8, 2007 16:21:47 GMT -5
Oh, well, then that'd be 1 theory disproving him hacking shot down right?
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fenix
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Post by fenix on Jan 8, 2007 16:40:18 GMT -5
Yes
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:[DS]: Sugarplum
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Post by :[DS]: Sugarplum on Jan 8, 2007 16:41:00 GMT -5
I recorded a demo of myself trying that, and even with all the crazy warping you can clearly see the recoil. Make your own conclusions.
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Post by Saber (quit) on Jan 8, 2007 17:07:06 GMT -5
Its tempting to post when I want to not post in this forum as much as possible. But it seems this situation needs to be locked for possible (if not happened) flame.
[You can ignore]I have no idea whats happening, Nor seen the video but there are NO POSSIBLE EASY WAYS TO DETECT A HACKER. Theres too many threads that says, "(Name) Hacking Proofs" or "(Name) is a Hacker" or "OMG HACKER". People please understand that after soo many "OMG YOUR A HACKER" threads you would think that you need better proofs then, OMG NO RECOIL or maybe OMG HE KNEW WHERE I WAS or etc. Theres always some logical way to explain things like this.
But its not like Im taking your side bendarr, no, im not at all. Im just saying that theres too many dam Hacker Threads and it needs to stop! I want to read something new not the same old crap that soldat is known to have. You all know theres always some sort of hacker playing soldat in the server right now. But can you detect it? No, you might not even know. For all you know, I could be hacking when I've played soldat.[/You can Ignore]
Instead of posting it maybe try... PM to a server admin. Let THERE judgement decide weither or not the "hacker" will be banned or not. Then maybe server admin post a banned player list.
But hey... atleast these kind of thread is always something new to read. But kinda annoying now. Next version come out with a BETTER anit hack system...
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Post by milk on Jan 8, 2007 17:23:36 GMT -5
LOL I've been playing this game a long time, have seen pretty much everything there is to see in the game and i'm rather amused by this so called "evidence".
First of all the demos actually show RECOIL, are people that blind to see anything other than recoil?
Just to clarify on the term lag, doesn't always have to do with actual latency but more or less how many packets register -> Cient <-> Server.
The protocol used for game play is UDP with the exception of admin which is TCP. UDP has been known to cause "packet trips".
Anyway, the demos are a joke, end this ridiculous thread please.
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Sentinel :)
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Sentinel was here 7/5/07
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Post by Sentinel :) on Jan 8, 2007 17:34:09 GMT -5
Before I say what I have to say, let me give you guys a bit of info you might want to be aware of. I've become acquainted with Bendarr in-game and on Ventrilo. He seems to be pretty cool. I play with him all the time in R/S servers, and I 1v1ed him one time and lost (by a lot). He was really good, hacks or no hacks. Also, I'm aware that hacks are easily accessible. My 12-year-old brother downloaded a multihack onto this computer, I've used it once or twice. Obviously not on my own name, and just to test it and have a little bit of fun. The hack includes infinite ammo, airman, infinite jets, no bink, movement acc=0, no delay, reload fast, low firing interval, infinite grenades, no realistic, and many more tools of destruction (it sounds like I'm advertising this, lol). It is definitely possible Bendarr could've used this hacking tool or one similar to it. I'm not accusing him of hacking, nor defending him. I am just saying this hack is accessible very, very easily (think about it, a 12-year-old got it). While using the hacks, I found tell-tale evidence how to tell if someone is hacking or not. The only problem is, it involves the percentage of health, which you can't see in the demos. If you start with 43% health, that means realistic hack is on (this 43% health does not always apply, but if it's there, they are definitely using hacks). At Voland, it's clearly obvious when people are using this hack, because when they spawn, the spawn point is on a heal spot, so you will hear them healing the instant they spawn. Okay, now that you have all that information... Let's get to the main issue, shall we? Those demo files prove nothing. In Bendarr.sdm, I clearly see 'Inu' fire a ruger, which appears to have no recoil. He also hacks, I take it? I doubt it, considering it only took me 2 minutes to browse through my own demos to find one of me firing a ruger shot that looks like it has no recoil. I watched this demo. Inu does have recoil. Bendarr doesn't for some shots, but does for the rest. That doesn't mean he hacks, but I can't think of any good explanation besides "lag" or this talk on "packets" (which I don't understand) to explain how he doesn't hack. LOL I've been playing this game a long time, have seen pretty much everything there is to see in the game and i'm rather amused by this so called "evidence". First of all the demos actually show RECOIL, are people that blind to see anything other than recoil? Just to clarify on the term lag, doesn't always have to do with actual latency but more or less how many packets register -> Cient <-> Server. The protocol used for game play is UDP with the exception of admin which is TCP. UDP has been known to cause "packet trips". Anyway, the demos are a joke, end this ridiculous thread please. ^From a Soldat server owner/renter, he should know a lot on this kind of stuff. Both sides of the argument are legitimate, and I don't think any one side can overpower the other. So I recommend somehow keeping a hacking watch on Bendarr. If he does hack, he'll get caught. If he doesn't, as someone else said, all the accusers owe him a pretty big apology.
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Post by |BTK| Charlie Cypher on Jan 8, 2007 17:36:03 GMT -5
I don't want to read all the posts but I think its true..
when we scrimmed SS, dsg was sniped by bendarr over 4 times (high part of kampf). Bendarr would hide by the Z shaped tunnel by the blue side and once he "senses" something, he'll pop up and kills dsg with a barret (I noticed that dsg IS in fact OUT OF SIGHT from where bendarr was (he wasn't scoping)). Also when i took dsg's role and went high, i naded the Z tunnel and i heard someone there, I IMMEDIATELY went down and started spraying, and he killed me. I said "wtf, no bink" he replied something like "You were too slow, I recovered from bink" and his reply to getting so many miracle shots were "I have good senses" or "My sensitivity is high" or "I spray barret". It is evident and obvious that he uses a program because almost 100% of his shots are kills.
Also, I have found out from someone ( I don't want to name him/her here) that there is a hack which allows you to get perfect barret shots. His/her explaination was that the cursor goes red and automatically shoots. All you do is move the mouse and once it turns red, it will automatically fire for you. These are the other features of this particular hack:
-movement accuracy hack (allows you to fly with barret while getting perfect aim) -No bink -no delay
(I think pinoy has this as well)
Works for barret best, I dont know about ruger.
He's probably just playing around when he uses ruger.. but when he is actually serious, barret?
just a guess.
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