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Post by Sp!k3 on Jan 7, 2007 20:59:21 GMT -5
So he says he ducked but wheres the proof he ducked? Anyways everyone will have different opinions about it and fyfy by cursing and acting like a child every sentence you post you forfeit the right to call us ignorant.
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Post by Chameleon on Jan 7, 2007 20:59:32 GMT -5
in bendarr.sdm, you can see that the first six or seven shots do not have recoil. after that, the camera switches to rokk lawing nikklarin deathfire, at which point, he starts to recoil, assuming he turned his hacks off. in bendarr_norecoil.sdm, you can see that he does not recoil when he takes his shots. the main point of bendarr2.sdm is to point out his warping, which is unusual for a player with a ping as low as 66 to warp, especially to that extent. in strider's demo, you see things similar to what you can see in the demos of bendarr. for strider to achieve the very little amount of recoil, he had to have his curser right up next to himself, and even then he still recoils. whereas bendarr does not recoil after shooting. those are the proofs i have to come to my conclusion. if you do not beleive them, go right ahead and not, i wont try and force my opinion apon you, im just letting you know how i (and many others) stand Now, tell me drools, how is this now proof I use no recoil and "warp" hacks, when it doesnt even show evidence. Look at 90% of other players before you go accusing me of anything. Do not just direct your questions to me, i am just the voice of the people that share the same opinion.
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Post by Starfire on Jan 7, 2007 21:00:17 GMT -5
hopefully this is is not a double post, but i read on wikipedia that soldat uses a funny packet thing and that it likes to drop packets... thus introducing the "hit" scenario... for some people with inconsistent connections, like me, you may not see a lot of that stuff. ex: on the first halo game, what happened when you threw a grenade?
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Post by `aM|Zigo[s]ity on Jan 7, 2007 21:05:33 GMT -5
In the first demo - Bendar.sdm - the first 3 or so shots do look like they are recoiless. If you continue watching however, it is obvious that this is just due to lag as the recoil comes back for the last 4 or 5 shots, plain for all to see.
Sorry dudes, but you're either blind or you all have some really big grudge against Bendarr... Either way, I side with him : P.
-Zigo
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Post by Seal Specter on Jan 7, 2007 21:06:59 GMT -5
Iv been playing this game for a long time, and i can say that every time iv seen something like the no recoil bendarr is showing, it has always been a hack. Also someone said that if you demo other poeple, you see the same effects. Well if u demo ice/miju, or any other ruger user for that matter that can be trusted to not hack, you clearly see recoil. Then why does it show bendarr with no recoil, while other people's recoil is easily seen? Recoil is even seen on people with 200+ ping, but bendarr has 50 ping, so lag shouldnt be an excuse
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Post by fenix on Jan 7, 2007 21:09:02 GMT -5
In the first demo - Bendar.sdm - the first 3 or so shots do look like they are recoiless. If you continue watching however, it is obvious that this is just due to lag as the recoil comes back for the last 4 or 5 shots, plain for all to see. Sorry dudes, but you're either blind or you all have some really big grudge against Bendarr... Either way, I side with him : P. -Zigo Or maybe your blind to the truth becuz you want to believe your friend? I havent played with bendarr much and im still new to R/S but from what i see in the demos it looks like hes hacking. And also could the recoil not be him turning it off or him just moving his arm up to look around?
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Post by fyfy on Jan 7, 2007 21:09:25 GMT -5
Alright then, sorry for making my point and coupling it with insults to the people who agree with Drools and Drools himself.
But honestly, Starfire is correct. Any no-recoil hacks you think he had was OBVIOUSLY to do with connection stuff and lag. And I would find that when Bendarr shot with recoil after the camera switched to Rokk unlikely a result that he turned his hacks off that instant. Note that he is in contant motion when you would usually have to open the menu and whatnot. Note also in Bendarr.sdm that Bendarr's gun is put in a position that looks like he had recoil, though he is behind the middle barrier and the shot would obviously had done nothing besides hit the rock. This is also due to lag on one or both of Drools and Bendarr's PCs. That was the recoil from the previous shot.
Also in Bendarr_norecoil.sdm You notice a few shots with no recoil, then one with recoil, and then no more with recoil. This is another thing that points to connection issues.
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Post by `aM|Zigo[s]ity on Jan 7, 2007 21:12:14 GMT -5
Reading some of the posts on page 2, I'm stunned at the conclusions drawn to explain the sudden reappearence of Bendarr's recoil in the first demo. 'He turned off his hacks'? Come on guys, right, he's just going to press the hotkey to shut off his hacks, in mid air, while in a firefight. He doesn't even stop moving long enough for someone to take their fingers off the keys and onto an F key.
The warping is obviously due to lag spikes. Someone's ping can ocilate between 66-250 without it showing on the F1 menu. I've seen it time and time again in CWs with my clan, as some of us have very iffy connections.
Come on guys, give Bendarr a break :\.
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Post by Starfire on Jan 7, 2007 21:14:14 GMT -5
ffs! did you read the posts all the way through!? packets! wiki said a lot of packets get dropped, not only that but an inconsistent connection! meaning, if i were to s repeatedly, you would not see every move, but you would see some nonetheless.
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Post by Sp!k3 on Jan 7, 2007 21:16:47 GMT -5
Im with specter and ive been playing less time as him but ive seen a lot of hackers. No one has that little recoil and perhaps its like Fenix said where he just pulled his arm up to look around considering I do that to after finishing someone off or just to look around when I need to.
And as to ping jumping from 66-250 without showing on the f1 menu wtf? You say youve seen ti happen but you just said it yourself you cant see it. Also not only does he warp but he eats more then speedy for christs sake. I would see more recoil on speedy too btw.
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Post by `aM|Zigo[s]ity on Jan 7, 2007 21:21:21 GMT -5
Im with specter and ive been playing less time as him but ive seen a lot of hackers. No one has that little recoil and perhaps its like Fenix said where he just pulled his arm up to look around considering I do that to after finishing someone off or just to look around when I need to. And as to ping jumping from 66-250 without showing on the f1 menu wtf? You say youve seen ti happen but you just said it yourself you cant see it. Also not only does he warp but he eats more then speedy for christs sake. I would see more recoil on speedy too btw. I've had people tell me 'I'm lag spiking, god, it's going from 50-400' over vent. That's how I know.
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Post by Starfire on Jan 7, 2007 21:29:04 GMT -5
let me explain a little more... a packet: the info getting sent back and forth between people... "dropping" them means what? NOTHING GETS SENT OR RECIEVED. true, speedy has some fugly lag, but it is consistent... meaning the packets are coming and going just a little slowly, hence the irony that is "speedy"
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Post by Chameleon on Jan 7, 2007 21:34:20 GMT -5
quote from serival
basicly this is saying that the packet containing someone's recoil has a low chance of getting lost.
and if it does get lost, the packets would be resent. then the soldat client would speed up to catch up. (his gun would still jerk upwards, it would just be lagged)
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Post by Starfire on Jan 7, 2007 21:38:10 GMT -5
omg!!! that is what i am SAYING DAMIT! soldat uses special packets!! think about, if what you are saying was true, almost every "hit" would register!!!
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Post by `aM|oRiGiNaL on Jan 7, 2007 21:43:51 GMT -5
Well... I thought I'd try 200% Sensitivity myself. So Heres Me, 200% and ruger. demos.1111mb.com/Omg.sdmDon't look at the last shot I was looking around. =/ Anyways, as long as you keep the Aimer close to you body you don't get any recoil. And thats what he could have been doing. I don't really think Bendarr hacks, I think he just has mods like IUG. Or mabe different ones.
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