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Post by spik3 on Aug 23, 2006 4:30:37 GMT -5
Yes that true which is why i said overall we have a better army.But its not JUST numbers many of our regular troops are trained better then the special forces of some less fortunate countries.And our special forces are good its not just our numbers.Delta force can hold their own in any fight.And to say its just numbers is a little silly because when we fought for our independence against Britain we were COMPLETELY outnumbered.Its our numbers that makes us good.But its the fact that we have numbers and great training and people in our army that makes us near unstoppable.Which is also why im gonna go back to our original subject about the war.Some people say we could lose the war in iraq.....i mean do they not know how stupid that sounds?We have the largest military force in the world against a small poorly trained and nearly leaderless army?Not to mention the fact that we have other countried fighting alongside us wher Britain comes into play and quite frankly i would say Britains army is 2nd only to the US's.
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Post by :[DS]: Gunl0ck on Aug 23, 2006 6:11:47 GMT -5
.Its our numbers that makes us good.But its the fact that we have numbers and great training and people in our army that makes us near unstoppable. Spoken like a true American. Frankly, you ARE loosing the war in Iraq. Your paying billions to sit and and kill a 'sandhead' every few days, while your troops are being blown up, and the entire world is still under threat from terrorists. Apart from fixing up your f*ck-up from a few years back, what exactly have you achieved? EDIT:: Could you possibly also use paragraphs?
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Post by kingkitty on Aug 23, 2006 10:55:59 GMT -5
.Its our numbers that makes us good.But its the fact that we have numbers and great training and people in our army that makes us near unstoppable. Spoken like a true American. Frankly, you ARE loosing the war in Iraq. Your paying billions to sit and and kill a 'sandhead' every few days, while your troops are being blown up, and the entire world is still under threat from terrorists. Apart from fixing up your f*ck-up from a few years back, what exactly have you achieved? EDIT:: Could you possibly also use paragraphs? Now now this is not a flame topic. I have no clue whats going on in the War right now. Even with watching the news on the war, it still doesn't give me a clear answer. And right now its all just speculation on whos really winning. It seems that America is slowly but surely making a stable government. Though it doesn't seem that the terrorists will be gone anytime soon. Troops probably won't come home for a while. Hey I have nothing against the war. It's a war on terrorism, hey I got nothing wrong with that! Even if it seems like the war is about the oil...who cares. The troops are helping the country, even if the country hates them lol. Though I'm sure there's plenty of people who are very greatful. :X
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Post by :[DS]: Ic[e]bolt on Aug 23, 2006 11:47:20 GMT -5
Gun, however, is correct. Though the brass say we're making 'progress', in actuality, we've already lost over 2,500 troops, and injured so, so many more. In focus, we started this back in what.. '01? It's been at least 5 years. We are losing, we're not really making progress, and there's no chance that we're getting anywhere closer to taking out any top terrorist leaders.
To further compound the problem, our president is trying to deal with Israel vs. Lebenon who've been in a two-month war. Over 2000 casualties there, as well. We'll probably end up sending peacekeeper forces too.
I think at this point, it'd be best just to pull our assets out of everything, and deal with our internal problems before we attempt to 'fix the world'.
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Post by :[DS]: A MyStiCaL Fly on Aug 23, 2006 12:14:33 GMT -5
*laughs* gunlock that is not a direct quote, but I think I see what you were trying to ask. What better reason could there be to remove someone from power?. Well I was refering to it being about Personal/Political reasons, not about the things hussein has done.. If it was really because the was man murdering his own people with wmd's "testing" them for futher wars. nods, that is a good reason, if not the best reason.
Nods, to us "losing" the war. It seems it has come to a standstill for us, very little progress while infact the terrorist's are doing better(or so it seems). What do you expect? Us being IN their country I am sure is causing some(if not a lot of) people to help the terrorist and blow up more troops, just because they want our troops out of their country. Sure it seems like the "right" thing to do, but at what cost? what cost indeed... How many civilians have WE killed?. a lot... I just hope in the end their people will be better off. What is done is done, future generations, our generation will have to fix the horrible things that has happend. fix our reputationin the world. I believe this could have been solved without war, with more time and less lives lost. But it seems that was not the goal for this administration. Bush likes war, War is good for business for him and a lot of his friends. So with it being good for business and a good thing for their people why not?.. heh, we will see if it really was, or even if it was worth it.
*laughs* I am sorry if I seem jaded about this, I am, I mean when you look at the intelligence of the person(s) incharge of running this country.... When you come up with drawings up complex underground bunkers(one of many things WAYYY overexsagerated) lmao, then find only caves *laughs* you have to wonder, whoa something is wayyy off here. or Did they make it seem so deadly and dangerous just so we "could" attack and go in? hmm. Many things to ponder, Many things "we"(us here talking about it) could not really know, and may never.
I just get ashamed, I thought the people picked from the best of them? is not that what a democracy is for? it seems our selection is not good enough(for presidents).. We need more options, better options. I think that time is coming thou.
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Post by spik3 on Aug 23, 2006 23:04:41 GMT -5
One we didnt start the war in iraq(Referring to trying to overthrow Saddam Hussien'spower)in '01 that was against Osama Bin Laden right after he bombed the world trade centers.This war is a success compared to most wars consider for every one of our soldiers we lost theyve lost atleast 10 more.Compared to many other wars that is nothing.And also i agree with kitty try to control your anger and the thought of me being a true american.Sorry if i care for my country considering i dont think being a true american is such a bad thing.I think you live in australia right?what has australia done thats so great?ANd also about how i dont use paragraphs get over it this isnt a international news report or even as important as a school assignment so ill write however i please.
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Post by :[DS]: Ic[e]bolt on Aug 23, 2006 23:35:22 GMT -5
Not so, Spike. You're misinformed. They aren't losing men. They're sacrificing men. We're losing 4 soldiers to every 1 of their suicide bombers. They've already realized that shooting at us will get them kill and nothing helped. If in your opinion, we're winning, that's something different. But if you saw the actual statistic, our nation's morale is a lot lower than Al-Queda or the Iraqi resistance's.
You have to realize that these suicide bombers truly believe that they're going to their version of Heaven by killing themselves. Our soldiers don't want to be there. They want us out, and they're happy to throw their lives away, something that our soldiers nowadays aren't ready to do.
A man fights harder when he's at home. If a girl fought me at school, that's one thing. But if she dared to come to my house, I'd probably put the hurt on her much worse.
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Post by :[DS]: Gunl0ck on Aug 24, 2006 0:12:07 GMT -5
And also i agree with kitty try to control your anger and the thought of me being a true american.Sorry if i care for my country considering i dont think being a true american is such a bad thing.I think you live in australia right?what has australia done thats so great? Did i insult you in any way by saying that you were American? i didnt mean to, and i dont think i did. Australia has more credit to its name then you know. Kakoda trail, for one. CLassified as one of the most gutsy and brilliant achievment of ANY war and our SASR was actually in Iraq before your army, getting the place set up for you guys. And the paragraphs thing? It just makes it a lot easier for everyone to read.
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Post by spik3 on Aug 24, 2006 0:37:02 GMT -5
Ok to the soldiers not wanting to be there Ice said.Thats what theyre signing up for.Its there fault if they joined the army not to go to war?Thast just plain stupid of them if they did.And yes maybe we are getting suicide bombings but still if you look at statistics for how many we have lossed and all they're losses theirs far outnumber ours.And gun about the thing of you saying Australia was setting up for us thats great but why are you saying how bad the US is then when even your country supports this war.I mean more then one country is in this war.What are they all gonna split the oil or something?This being a war about oil is def the most BS thing they have said about the war.Yes i admit now things are going worse for the troops and we're losing more then we should be but that like what i said i agree with the reason we are there but not how we're going about it.We shouldnt be waiting for them to hit us.They say that people in the streets shouting out threats is not enough to take it as a hostile i think is bull.Anybody who says agrees or associates themselves with the terrorists should be dealt with like they are a terroist.
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Post by :[DS]: Ic[e]bolt on Aug 24, 2006 0:58:44 GMT -5
But Spike, what you're asking for is the Red Scare all over again, (yes, I'm using this as an example, once again). How can you be 100% positive who's aligned with terrorism, and who's not? Racial profile every person of middle-eastern lineage? Everyone would be pointing fingers at each other. I'd call my next door neighbor a communist because she threw a rock at my dog.
We're really not getting anywhere with this war. How many years has it been since we removed Saddam Hussein? How long has it taken us to build a government? Even once we establish a government, we'd still have to stay, because the fledgling government couldn't possibly defend itself, or it's members. And the more and more we stay, the more opposition we have on the home front to staying. What can we do? We either stay and finish the job, or we leave and call it quits. History won't look favourably on us if we leave.
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Post by :[DS]: Gunl0ck on Aug 24, 2006 3:15:57 GMT -5
Funnily enough, i agree with you Spike. We did need to go to war, but what they're doing now is not war.
There is no way to root out every terrorist, and then leave. Every day we sit around their country, we turn more of them against us.
Also, do you think the rebels dont know how much this war is costing you compared to what it costs them? your spending billions of dollars to stay there and fight, and they're paying next to nothing.
Time to back away and lick your wounds if you ask me.
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Post by spik3 on Aug 24, 2006 4:33:25 GMT -5
Thanks gun im glad you get what im saying but Ice you misunderstood me.Im not saying everyone thats middle eastern.And especially not here in the US.Im saying the people in Iraq that sit in the streets throwing rocks saying theyre gonna blow up a bomb or something like that.Many times the soldiers cant do anything about it because its not a big enough "threat" but i consider that grounds to take them to jail for a night or two and find out if they really were gonna do that.Im not saying to do it to every middle eastern person.We'd be locking up the entire country.we have the strongest miltary in the world.we're using it for the right reason but the wrong ways.The government is now too worried about what makes them look good on the news(thanks to insults from everyone)then the safety of our troops.All the news would report is that we locked up an innocent Iraqi for no reason.Although we would have been locking up and Iraqi because they threatened to kill us.Until you know that people wont you should always assume they would.Like when pinoy said he was hacking my comp lol i almost believed him.
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Post by :[DS]: Ic[e]bolt on Aug 24, 2006 9:35:08 GMT -5
Ah, my misunderstanding then. But even if that's the case, Spike. We don't have nearly a big enough prison down there to put every person who through a rock at a soldier in. The most difficult thing, that if we start arresting civilians, that's going to cause the civilian's family and neighbors to hate the US more. No, it's better to leave them be. There's nothing we can do without making things worse.
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Post by bmekim on Aug 24, 2006 15:09:58 GMT -5
I agree that we should pull our troops out. I mean why send so many of our own people to their death for another country? Let them deal with their own issues instead of making more for us.
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Post by Sucker Punch on Aug 24, 2006 16:10:32 GMT -5
I think that once the US trained Iraqi Army is "ready" the U.S. should start gradually pulling soldiers out of Iraq and maybe keep 10,000-15,000 troops stationed in military bases in Iraq. Similar to how the forces are setup in Japan and South Korea. Though if the new government requests for us to leave, then we should pull almost all of our people out accordingly. I think the same should go for South Korea if they request for us to leave so they can make better peace talks with the North Koreans.
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