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Post by Russel on Aug 23, 2006 5:16:01 GMT -5
Forgive me for not being mature about this, but i feel that this is the only way to truely express myself. This started as an artical my english teacher wanted me to write, he gave me an B- on the assignment cause of poor spelling and immaturity. He suggested I be an writer. Here goes.
In almost every city, there is at least one school that is a complete mess. This school has bad books, students, teachers, and just seeing their hall way is disgusting.
In these schools, there are always bad teachers. But what classifies a bad teacher? I will tell you. These teachers don’t give a damn! They don’t care if their student passes or fails, they will just continue to do their job and get paid what little they have. Now the students feel bad about failing and they get sad. Next thing you know, they will drop out of school just to wait tables, or to dress up in a ridiculous outfit then stand at the corner of sthingyer street to advertise cheap and useless junk nobody wants to buy. Good teachers don’t want students to fail because it is like they are failing themselves. To those who don’t care, must have been bad students themselves.
The students at bad schools are completely a wreck. They cut classes, get in to fights with one another and fill up the disciplinary office like you were at a sale at the mall. These kids also bring drugs, guns, and all sorts of weapons to school either just to show off, or just to start trouble, but has anyone asked where it came from? Which brings us to wonder howdid these 14-17 year kids get this crap? Maybe they weed in there back yard right under their parents noses, or they illegally bought guns and knives off a austrialian guy named Jake.
Another question you need to ask yourself is WHERE THE HELL DO OUR TAX DOLLARS GO TOO!?! Anit it obvious?! We work our asses off to get what little pay we friggin get and then Good 'ol uncle mother f*ckin Sam comes along, wielding the sword of the republican office to cut our pay checks in half for himself! Then the money goes to president bush. Bush then screwed every single american by saying "we lookin for WMD's so i gotta raise tax and i gotta find Saddam so i can get my friggin oil back." So later on they "sopposivly find Saddam" in a spider hole (what the hell is a spider hole?). Well its been a years since they caught him. So....WHY DIDNT THEY FRY HIM YET!?!?!?
Oh my god, after all the frustration of heavy "school tax" you'd think you'd see some improvement but you dont. All you see is a bald eagle being politically screwed by our own government. Its high time we spill some blood over this B.S. If kids don't get a friggin education, then the only good use for the young men and women for the future is for being a soldier. I'll be damned if my only future in this soceity is being a military dog. If you republicans can trust ur kids future in the hands of this bastard, go right ahead. I'll just be sitting back and watching how high gas prices and poor education will be the downfall of this once great nation. I know who im gonna vote for in 2008, if you we survive that long.
Wrote this last year point is we need to preserve our future to ensure American's future, and we cant do that with so much going on right now
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Post by :[DS]: Ic[e]bolt on Aug 23, 2006 12:00:12 GMT -5
I believe that you're attacking the wrong source. Sure, teacher apathy is a big deal, but you must remember that everything is simply a reaction or an effect of something else. Could it be that teachers simply don't care because so many students don't care? I've finally graduated highschool, and from my perspective, it just seemed that the students were causing the teachers to become numb, rather than the teachers just being the way they are.
While I do agree that there are just teachers who do it for the paycheck. But, you must remember that is the same for ANY job. In defense of the teachers, my highschool had 4,500 students attending, and there were less than 200 faculty members, staff, and teachers. The teachers were very much over-burdened here. You must also consider the standards that teachers must also meet to qualify, as well as the fact that in California, they now have to teach 'standards'.
One of the real problem are the parents. Parents who, while they may truly care for their children, aren't capable or 'qualified' to raise children. I was raised with reason. I always had my incessant 'why' questions answered, and I think that I've grown up to be a fairly decent person. I'm by no means a great person, or a even a 'good' person. But decent is enough. Parents usually tell their children not to do something, but rarely why. Common sense isn't a skill taught much anymore.
I think that the worst words in the world that my godfather could have possibly ever said to me could be 'I'm disappointed in you.' That's just how much respect I had for him. How many people here actually care about how their parents feel about them?
And yet, on the flip side, there are just parents who don't care, and are too preoccupied with their own lives.
Before we critise the facility, examine the quality of the people attending. For example, realize that I firmly believe in democracy and what America 'stands for'. But, I critise openly the people that run it.
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Post by spik3 on Aug 23, 2006 15:18:44 GMT -5
I like this topic cause i can relate.I used to go to b pretty bad school.The school made us wear mesh backpacks so they could see what was in them.We also had regular locker searches with dogs and everything.So you got it right about the drugs and weapons(although weapons were rare its mostly drugs)but the teachers thing about not caring is only half right.I had a great parent my mom taking care of me.But i still failed because i was half a point away from the lowest passing grade.Nost teachers would round up the grade.But nope mine rounded it down.This resulted in me failing the grade and since our school system was too poor to have summer school they made you pay to get it from somewhere else and the cheapest i think was about 500 per class.Which meant i did not get a chance to pass again.So the final thing that resulted is me moving away from my friends and family in New Orleans to go live up in New york(not new york city) with my dad whos a less then amazing parent.So it seems yes theyre are VERY bad teachers in those schools but thru my whole time of attending those type of schools i only had 2 such bad teachers.One of which kept me from going on the trip when i graduated from 5th grade and the other who failed me.
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Post by Kahuna on Aug 23, 2006 16:38:40 GMT -5
Mmm, this reminds me a time when Specter was talking about how bad it got in his school. Whenever there was a substitute, the kids wouldn't pay attention at all.
Kids smoked in class and had out their laptops when they weren't suppose to. The teacher just sat back and did his/her own thing as if he/she had no power to control the class.
The next day, everything went on as if nothing happened, but it's just how it is nowadays. But it really doesn't have any effect on the teacher because their the ones who decides if they pass or not.
It just shows that if you get enough people to do something, you may just have it your way and maybe even corrupt a few things.
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Post by Russel on Aug 23, 2006 16:57:54 GMT -5
I believe that you're attacking the wrong source. Sure, teacher apathy is a big deal, but you must remember that everything is simply a reaction or an effect of something else. Could it be that teachers simply don't care because so many students don't care? I've finally graduated highschool, and from my perspective, it just seemed that the students were causing the teachers to become numb, rather than the teachers just being the way they are. While I do agree that there are just teachers who do it for the paycheck. But, you must remember that is the same for ANY job. In defense of the teachers, my highschool had 4,500 students attending, and there were less than 200 faculty members, staff, and teachers. The teachers were very much over-burdened here. You must also consider the standards that teachers must also meet to qualify, as well as the fact that in California, they now have to teach 'standards'. One of the real problem are the parents. Parents who, while they may truly care for their children, aren't capable or 'qualified' to raise children. I was raised with reason. I always had my incessant 'why' questions answered, and I think that I've grown up to be a fairly decent person. I'm by no means a great person, or a even a 'good' person. But decent is enough. Parents usually tell their children not to do something, but rarely why. Common sense isn't a skill taught much anymore. Ur right about the parents, but that doesn't make teachers innocent. Im sure in college there are teachers that just want that paycheck, but in highschool it shouldn't be just about the paycheck. A teacher litterally holds their students future in their hands. Teachers should give a damn about somebody's education. What i don't get is if they can't accept that responsibilty of making sure a kid gets their proper education, why be a teacher?
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Post by :[DS]: Ic[e]bolt on Aug 23, 2006 17:08:30 GMT -5
I think you misunderstand today's interpretation of a teacher. A teacher is paid to present the material. In other words, stand there, talk, explain, and answer questions. If kid's don't want to learn, then the teacher can't force them to ask questions. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink, so to speak. But if you want the teachers to force kids into learning, that wouldn't work either. Think about it. Does any teenager actually want to be forced to do anything? You have to want to learn, to learn anything.
Now, if the students are, indeed, asking questions, behaving, paying attention, doing their homework, and THEN ask a question, and the teacher ignores them, that's different.
Parents have a responsibility to their kids. Teachers have a responsibility to fulfil their job description, which does not involve forcing kids to learn. They don't HAVE to round your grades up. They don't HAVE to make you do homework. They just need to present the material, and test you on it. If you fail, really, it's not their fault.
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Post by Seal Specter on Aug 23, 2006 19:40:57 GMT -5
Mmm, this reminds me a time when Specter was talking about how bad it got in his school. Whenever there was a substitute, the kids wouldn't pay attention at all. Kids smoked in class and had out their laptops when they weren't suppose to. The teacher just sat back and did his/her own thing as if he/she had no power to control the class. The next day, everything went on as if nothing happened, but it's just how it is nowadays. But it really doesn't have any effect on the teacher because their the ones who decides if they pass or not. It just shows that if you get enough people to do something, you may just have it your way and maybe even corrupt a few things. Yeah, I didn't actually see it, but a friend told me about it. And it wasn't just substitutes they didn't listen to, it was their actual teacher they didn't listen too. Like she said the teacher tried to get them to like him better by giving them candy, and the students just threw it against the wall. When the teacher tried to take control by giving them an office referral, they would rip it and throw it in his face. They cussed at him, and played music all day. Smoked in class, and somehow the teacher couldn't do a thing. After awhile, the teacher couldn't take it and quit. Yeah, I've never actually seen something like that, but I've asked a few people about it, and they confirmed it. Oh and my friend said she didn't care that the teacher was being treated like that, since the teacher told my friend that she was stupid and would'nt amount to anything.
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Post by notoriousfro on Aug 23, 2006 20:01:46 GMT -5
This is a really complicated issue, but your points are good. You did go on a lot of tangents though, and kind of made your article disjointed and whatnot . I think what you are trying to say, which is correct, is that teachers need to enjoy what they are doing and help the kids in any way possible. THE ONLY WAY TO DO THIS IT TO PAY THE PROFESSION MORE. Pay the teachers a higher salary... more intelligent people who could be doctors/researchers/scientists, etc will be drawn to teaching, kids will be taught by educated people (not just coaches who need to teach a class to be the head football guy.. such as my freshman geography teacher long ago.. another story ), they will in turn be more interested in learning, and we as a society will be more educated and not so materialistic, leading to less pollution, more advances in medicine, etc. It all starts with such a simple thing...
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Post by spik3 on Aug 23, 2006 22:34:07 GMT -5
The problem with that is these are mostly public schools that cannot afford to pay them anymore.The only way to get the money to do that is to raise taxes and if they do that people will get mad.So its really a lose lose situation with no simple way to stop it.
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Post by :[DS]: Ic[e]bolt on Aug 23, 2006 23:30:18 GMT -5
Spike is correct. Turning teaching into a 'white-collar' job isn't the solution. Doctors, lawyers, scientists, etc, are what we call 'specialists'. Nobody is just a general scientist. Everyone is so specialized. Doctors are specilized in a particular field, ie trauma, neuro, etc. Lawyers have family, criminal, etc.
But teachers? At my school, teachers had their general qualifications. From there, they could teach any of the base subjects, ie, english, math, history, certain sciences. But you don' have teachers that ONLY teach english. Or ONLY teach math. All teachers are capable of teaching different things. That's how my school does it.
Paying them more doesn't make them a specialst.
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Post by :[DS]: Gunl0ck on Aug 24, 2006 0:18:12 GMT -5
But you don' have teachers that ONLY teach english. Or ONLY teach math. All teachers are capable of teaching different things. That's how my school does it. Really? That's odd. At my school, teachers can only teach 2 classes. Example: My P.E teacher only teaches P.E and Outdoor Ed. My Maths teacher only teaches advanced maths, specialist maths and law. Other than that , they can only fill-in for other subjects, and the 2 classes they teach cant be too far apart content wise.
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Post by The Lag on Aug 24, 2006 0:38:37 GMT -5
by the no child left behind acts, you need to be specifically qualified to teach certain classes
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Post by spik3 on Aug 24, 2006 0:59:15 GMT -5
Yeah "certain" being a very keyword in that sentence.And also ice never said they taught more then 2 she just said they taught more then 1 .
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Post by Russel on Aug 24, 2006 6:47:54 GMT -5
I know that there are just some students who just don't want to learn, but shouldn't it be the teachers job to make them learn? I mean thats the whole reason they became a teacher in the first place. I mean, if you were about to fall down, I would instinctively try to catch you. It should be their job to make a student learn.
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Post by :[DS]: Xavios on Aug 24, 2006 7:39:23 GMT -5
I understand your point Russel, but if a student was intentionally unwilling to learn, halting others in the class, and so on, it's my feeling that it is the students fault. The teacher should try something, but they themselves can only do so much without leaving the rest of the class behind. It's like an old drama teacher of mine used to say, if you fall behind, for any reason, it's your responsibilty to catch up - it's not my job to come and hassle you for work, check that you're alright. You're old enough to look after your own things.
And with Ice's comment, of Teachers teaching more than one class, same goes here. Drama teachers often teach English, and visa versa. Science, Maths. History, Geology. Etc.
I'm lucky, I go to a damned good public school, as public schools go. It's a Music/Tennis specialist school of 1400, but considering only about 400/500 students do music, and about 100 students to tennis, it's more generalised than that. I do neither, but hey, the school covers all areas of interests, like, we just had a two million dollar plus theatre built, called the Forge.
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